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Seth Meyers recalls a lesson he learned at SNL for NPR's 'Wild Card'

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

Every week, a famous guest draws a card from the deck and answers a big life question on NPR's Wild Card podcast. As host of NBC's "Late Night," Seth Meyers is used to focusing on politics, current events, but for his new stand-up special on HBO, "Dad Man Walking," he talks more about his family life. And he kept the focus personal in his conversation with Wild Card host Rachel Martin,- reflecting on his early career at "Saturday Night Live."

RACHEL MARTIN, HOST:

One, two, three?

SETH MEYERS: Three.

MARTIN: Are you good at knowing when something should end?

MEYERS: Yes.

MARTIN: Relationships?

MEYERS: Uh-huh (ph).

MARTIN: Conversations?

MEYERS: Conversations, definitely.

MARTIN: Disagreements?

MEYERS: Yes, I'm very good. I once - I hope I don't get in trouble for this. My wife and my sister-in-law were fighting once, and I walked out. It was, like, during a very fraught Christmas vacation. It was like, we were all - too many people were in my in-laws' house, you know?

MARTIN: Just a classic...

MEYERS: Yeah.

MARTIN: ...Recipe for...

MEYERS: Just too many.

MARTIN: Yes.

MEYERS: And they were fighting in the hallway. And I came out and I screamed, you know, some people de-escalate.

MARTIN: (Laughter).

MEYERS: And I - they were both very taken aback. But I...

MARTIN: It's easier to end someone else's debate, fight.

MEYERS: ...I'm very good - I know when to walk away from an argument. I think I'm really good at that way. I think I - part of it is I'm, more often than not, willing to take the L.

MARTIN: Yeah.

MEYERS: Yeah.

MARTIN: That's interesting.

MEYERS: I think I'm happy to take the L in a disagreement for the purposes of moving on.

MARTIN: That's a thing I would hope to be able to teach my kids, is to have the confidence and security, emotional security...

MEYERS: Yeah.

MARTIN: ...'Cause it takes that to be able to say, I don't care enough about winning this.

MEYERS: Yes.

MARTIN: You win it, and it's OK. And I'm not giving you false winning. I'm really like...

MEYERS: Yeah.

MARTIN: ...It's OK. I'm going to walk away.

MEYERS: I - you know, another thing - I feel like I was in - I think this is true of a lot of people. I was a far more temperamental - when I was younger, and things ran very hot at "SNL." And there were definitely times where my instincts were to say something that would have been relationship-ending to people.

MARTIN: Oh, really?

MEYERS: You know, just - you're having an argument, and - you know, looking back, all shamefully petty, you know?

MARTIN: But you didn't say those things, or did you?

MEYERS: No. And one of the reasons I didn't say them is because my producer and dear friend Mike Shoemaker, who works with me now, worked with me on "SNL" - I remember once saying what - you know, I'm going to go tell so-and-so he's a you-know-what. And he used to always say, it's a long life. It's a long life. And the people that you work with here...

MARTIN: And you want a long career. Yeah.

MEYERS: Well, it's not even about career. He's like, look, the people you work with here - what you are going through with them is going to - even for the ones that aren't your favorite people, this is bonding. And you will need - for the rest of your life, you will need these relationships to remember what this time was like. And these people - more of them are going to be at your wedding than aren't. And so I'm very happy I lived by the adage of, it's a long life, because if it's somebody you think might be your friend in the future, there's no reason to burn it down in the present.

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MARTIN: The new special is called "Dad Man Walking." You can see it on HBO Max. It's very funny. It's worth your time. Thank you for doing this.

MEYERS: Thank you. Thank you.

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Rachel Martin
Rachel Martin is a host of Morning Edition, as well as NPR's morning news podcast Up First.