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No More Normal: Grief & Transformation Part 1

Roxy Tocin
"Fingerprints" / 2021

New Mexico will be fully reopened on July 1, and people are getting back to what some describe as normal activities. But how can we just get back to normal after we all went through—more than a year of heavy, powerful change? What about all the losses people suffered? Loved ones and friends are gone. Homes taken away. Careers and opportunities disappeared. The future you thought you were heading toward vanished. And your old self—who you thought you were—that person might be gone or different, too. How can we move ahead while honoring what has occurred?

In episode 33. we search for clues about how to carry our freshly transformed selves forward into the future. We find some perspective about grief and transformation, in this new form of normal.


  • Rev. Amani Malika - Albuquerque Center for Spiritual Living
  • Dee Brown
  • Christopher Gonzalez
  • Samantha Giovenco
  • Shaun Gay
  • Troy Williams
  • Ren Ortiz
  • Nicole Colchete
  • Sylvia Krayner
  • Robin Douglas
  • Raymond Stone
  • Samantha Stone
  • Diana Schaver
  • Donna Benson
  • Delores Pierce
  • Linda O'Rourke 
  • Susan Stover
  • Jim Albright

NEXT WEEK: We continue our look at grief and transformation asking how do we do this? How do we process our grief while looking at an unclear future? We get some help from authors and experts on the topic of grief, and we continue to hear from people out in the world about what they are thinking as they move forward. That’s next week on No More Normal.


  • Artist Roxy Tocin, whose artwork represents this episode online.
  • Jazztone the producer, Cheo, Dahm Life, Business School, Sundog, and Oh Lawd Records for providing music for the show.
  • Khaki, Pope Yesyesyall, and Bigawatt produced some of the show’s themes.


Marisa will be moving on from NoMoNo as she is about to begin an amazing opportunity. New Mexicans are going to be very well taken care of when it comes to local news and the things that matter. Never have we worked with a more brilliant, passionate, and dedicated person. This past year and a half of working closely with Marisa has transformed us into better humans. For our media partners and listeners of this show that we’ve all worked so hard on, thank you, Marisa, for everything.


We dedicate this and every single episode of No More Normal to Hannah Colton. We love and miss you, Hannah.


No More Normal is brought to you by Your New Mexico Government, a collaboration between KUNM, New Mexico PBS, and the Santa Fe Reporter. Funding for our coverage comes from the Kellogg Foundation and KUNM listeners like you, with support for public media provided by the Thornburg Foundation.

Marisa Demarco began a career in radio at KUNM News in late 2013 and covered public health for much of her time at the station. During the pandemic, she is also the executive producer for Your NM Government and No More Normal, shows focused on the varied impacts of COVID-19 and community response, as well as racial and social justice. She joined Source New Mexico as editor-in-chief in 2021.
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